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Post by SFP on Sept 7, 2024 15:20:46 GMT -6
If BW leaves, who would you guys want theoretically to replace him? I'd love a high character guy, who knows basketball at the NBA level, with ties to Peoria. Now who could that be? Imagine having Shaun Livingston as the coach at BU? We could afford him. I bet he could form a pretty good coaching staff. He'd would have to talk his wife into moving from Las Vegas to Peoria. God no. Let’s get a guy who has actually coached college basketball. This is not your college basketball of old. Sorry I'd have to believe that he could recruit locally like no other coach we've had in memory and be one hell of a coach. He can surround himself with assistance that can get him up to speed with the nuance. It's not like he's been away from the game. I'd take him in a heart beat. |
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Post by JMM28 on Sept 7, 2024 15:48:15 GMT -6
God no. Let’s get a guy who has actually coached college basketball. This is not your college basketball of old. Sorry I'd have to believe that he could recruit locally like no other coach we've had in memory and be one hell of a coach. He can surround himself with assistance that can get him up to speed with the nuance. It's not like he's been away from the game. I'd take him in a heart beat. This is silly. |
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Post by tribecalledquest2024 on Sept 7, 2024 15:59:05 GMT -6
God no. Let’s get a guy who has actually coached college basketball. This is not your college basketball of old. Sorry I'd have to believe that he could recruit locally like no other coach we've had in memory and be one hell of a coach. He can surround himself with assistance that can get him up to speed with the nuance. It's not like he's been away from the game. I'd take him in a heart beat. The track record of ex NBA guys with no coaching experience going back to college to coach is dismal. And that’s just the start of it. |
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Post by SFP on Sept 8, 2024 16:47:30 GMT -6
A few who have done or are doing well well, i.e. Fred Hoiberg, Dan Hurley, Hubert Davis and of course Larry Brown if you consider the ABA. There are a few more. My idea is not silly. The portal and NIL changes everything. NCAA basketball is more like a pro sport at this time. Shaun would bring instant cred to the players around the Peoria metro area. I doubt though that he'd take the job.
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Post by ER3 on Sept 8, 2024 18:42:32 GMT -6
A few who have done or are doing well well, i.e. Fred Hoiberg, Dan Hurley, Hubert Davis and of course Larry Brown if you consider the ABA. There are a few more. My idea is not silly. The portal and NIL changes everything. NCAA basketball is more like a pro sport at this time. Shaun would bring instant cred to the players around the Peoria metro area. I doubt though that he'd take the job. Ummm…no. Just no. |
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Post by tribecalledquest2024 on Sept 8, 2024 20:17:28 GMT -6
A few who have done or are doing well well, i.e. Fred Hoiberg, Dan Hurley, Hubert Davis and of course Larry Brown if you consider the ABA. There are a few more. My idea is not silly. The portal and NIL changes everything. NCAA basketball is more like a pro sport at this time. Shaun would bring instant cred to the players around the Peoria metro area. I doubt though that he'd take the job. Dan Hurley never played a minute in the NBA. He worked his way up the ranks. Larry Brown is 90 years old. Hoiberg coached in the NBA. The # of dudes who have flamed out is about 90%. Not a good ratio. Having “cred” means jack squat. Deion Sanders has cred. He’s a joke. |
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Post by Butler Blue on Sept 8, 2024 20:34:42 GMT -6
God no. Let’s get a guy who has actually coached college basketball. This is not your college basketball of old. Sorry I'd have to believe that he could recruit locally like no other coach we've had in memory and be one hell of a coach. He can surround himself with assistance that can get him up to speed with the nuance. It's not like he's been away from the game. I'd take him in a heart beat. Why not just hire Marcellus Sommerville for $175,000 a year? |
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Post by squirrel on Sept 10, 2024 7:16:04 GMT -6
LOL are we seriously suggesting going the alumni route again!?!?!
The only way we should do that is if they have a LONG track record.
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Post by bravesfan69 on Sept 10, 2024 8:25:32 GMT -6
Jesus. I would actually rather hire Chin Coleman than Shaun Livingston. Lol
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Post by Butler Blue on Sept 10, 2024 8:35:21 GMT -6
Jesus. I would actually rather hire Chin Coleman than Shaun Livingston. Lol What if Livingston could get Snacks, 'Cellus, and D-Ruff all on his staff??? |
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Post by JMM28 on Sept 10, 2024 9:28:57 GMT -6
Jesus. I would actually rather hire Chin Coleman than Shaun Livingston. Lol What if Livingston could get Snacks, 'Cellus, and D-Ruff all on his staff???  |
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Post by Braves4Life on Sept 10, 2024 11:20:08 GMT -6
If BW leaves, who would you guys want theoretically to replace him? I'd love a high character guy, who knows basketball at the NBA level, with ties to Peoria. Now who could that be? Imagine having Shaun Livingston as the coach at BU? We could afford him. I bet he could form a pretty good coaching staff. He'd would have to talk his wife into moving from Las Vegas to Peoria. God no. Let’s get a guy who has actually coached college basketball. John Gross at Akron could be good. He's in our price range and would only have a year left on his Akron extension. |
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Post by SFP on Sept 10, 2024 15:29:57 GMT -6
Livingston is not happening but to me going the old ways is just going to get us more of the same. I'd rather at this time roll the dice on a big time name that can possibly get some recruits that are difference makers. The portal has changed the game. If the NIL money comes in, anything is possible. Look what Grand Canyon University has been able to accomplish. I'm not saying we're built like them but they sure as hell went a different route with success. John Groce would be more of the same IMO. Not a bad choice if you're not willing to take a chance. Get a guy that can raise the necessary funding to buy the best players possible in the portal. Last I saw there was zero cap dollars in the NCAA.
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Post by SFP on Sept 10, 2024 15:32:10 GMT -6
Texas women softball just shelled out $1M for a pitcher. SOFTBALL!
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Post by tribecalledquest2024 on Sept 10, 2024 19:41:54 GMT -6
Livingston is not happening but to me going the old ways is just going to get us more of the same. I'd rather at this time roll the dice on a big time name that can possibly get some recruits that are difference makers. The portal has changed the game. If the NIL money comes in, anything is possible. Look what Grand Canyon University has been able to accomplish. I'm not saying we're built like them but they sure as hell went a different route with success. John Groce would be more of the same IMO. Not a bad choice if you're not willing to take a chance. Get a guy that can raise the necessary funding to buy the best players possible in the portal. Last I saw there was zero cap dollars in the NCAA. I think you are making the erroneous assumption that some flashy, big name guy would increase $$$$$ to the Home of the Brave, etc. I think that is a stretch. |
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Post by Spoon on Sept 10, 2024 19:46:21 GMT -6
Outside of Peoria, Shaun Livingston is not a name that anyone would really care about. But again, this isn’t going to happen.
The fact that we’re talking about who our replacement coach next year may be is honestly refreshing though. Especially since we’re talking about it in the sense that they will be poached and not fired.
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Post by bradleytownie on Sept 11, 2024 9:28:22 GMT -6
Wardle recently said on the March to the Arch podcast something to the effect of, "it doesn't matter if you have John Wooden coaching your basketball team. If you don't have a good NIL structure in place, then you're not going to be competitive in this era of college basketball."
Keeping the NIL strong is as important, if not more important, than who the head coach is. Luckily, a successful program with a good NIL will attract good coaching candidates when Wardle leaves Peoria.
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Post by dss03 on Sept 11, 2024 10:22:07 GMT -6
Wardle recently said on the March to the Arch podcast something to the effect of, "it doesn't matter if you have John Wooden coaching your basketball team. If you don't have a good NIL structure in place, then you're not going to be competitive in this era of college basketball." Keeping the NIL strong is as important, if not more important, than who the head coach is. Luckily, a successful program with a good NIL will attract good coaching candidates when Wardle leaves Peoria. Fair enough, but you need both. Resource rich gets you at the table, but coaches know what attributes they need and gaps to fill, who they will trust to step up and take workload and who is flattening out as supplemental, etc. Taking it to baseball, the Cards have a budget that far exceeds Milwaukee, but can’t keep up lately in terms of production. Because they don’t manage their resources efficiently. Some salesman type coach that can attract talent, but doesn’t understand the college game or get how to pull pieces to work together….that would just ultimately piss us off, and probably quickly. |
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Post by tribecalledquest2024 on Sept 11, 2024 12:21:04 GMT -6
Wardle recently said on the March to the Arch podcast something to the effect of, "it doesn't matter if you have John Wooden coaching your basketball team. If you don't have a good NIL structure in place, then you're not going to be competitive in this era of college basketball." Keeping the NIL strong is as important, if not more important, than who the head coach is. Luckily, a successful program with a good NIL will attract good coaching candidates when Wardle leaves Peoria. For the most part - NIL has not drastically changed the balance of power in college basketball. The teams who had higher budgets in certain leagues - now also have some of the better NIL collectives in their league. NIL hasn’t changed anything as it relates to who wins and loses. |
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Post by SFP on Sept 11, 2024 14:26:01 GMT -6
Wardle recently said on the March to the Arch podcast something to the effect of, "it doesn't matter if you have John Wooden coaching your basketball team. If you don't have a good NIL structure in place, then you're not going to be competitive in this era of college basketball." Keeping the NIL strong is as important, if not more important, than who the head coach is. Luckily, a successful program with a good NIL will attract good coaching candidates when Wardle leaves Peoria. For the most part - NIL has not drastically changed the balance of power in college basketball. The teams who had higher budgets in certain leagues - now also have some of the better NIL collectives in their league. NIL hasn’t changed anything as it relates to who wins and loses. We are at the infancy of NIL and I'd bet there will be a direct correlation between those schools that have a higher NIL budget compared to lower, even within conference. There will be a greater schism between the haves and have nots. There's a reason the NBA has a CAP. If you can manage to create a bigger NIL budget you're recruiting will become much more easier. You still need to be a good evaluator of talent but you'll be able to separate your program from the economic disadvantage programs that much easier. Perhaps there was a facility fallacy but being able to pay more will stand out. Sitting on the bench will be more easily taken if you're making much more $$$. The portal just puts this all on steroids. |
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